How does a 24-year old Muslim male who is known to the government for being affiliated with ISIS get to possess not one, but SIX firearms, in a country where guns are essentially banned?
— Tom Bevan (@TomBevanRCP) December 15, 2025
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I think it's something like this ... ...
ReplyDeleteAussie government: "No guns for anyone."
Islamic terrorist: "It's because I'm Muslim, right? You're islamophobic!"
Aussie government: "Okay, you can have guns but no guns for anybody else."
Steve Lee, he of the song, I Like Guns, spent years getting his back. I don't know, but I doubt, if he got them all back.
ReplyDeleteHe famously sang, I ain't gonna shoot nobody...", but this known terrorist sympathiser and his son get their permits.
Obviously racism played a role. Why, he might have shot this guy before he completed his cultural requirement of killing non-muslims!?!?!
Hi guys, I've been off doing stuff but thought I could help explain some things from my Sydney knowledge and know Bondi Beach well. Culprits were an older man and his son. Seems the old man had a 'class A/B/' gun license allowing him to own for hunting and sport as long as he's a member of a recognised gun club. Class B includes pump-action shotguns as long as magazine holds no more than five, and he seems to have used 2 of these. The son seems to have used a very basic bolt-action hunting rifle which did not even have a 'scope. But they carried lots of ammo.
ReplyDeleteAll legal except for the ISIS connection which is a major fail of our intel services, major fail. Then there is the 'perfect storm' of things which increased the deaths:
The little old concrete bridge which gave the perps a perfect elevated vantage and concrete wall on 2 sides to duck behind.
The Hanuckah folks making a semi-circle of food vans facing that bridge, so they were trapped when shooting began. Otherwise they could have scattered in all directions and non-automatic hunting rifles would have been much less effective (like Las Vegas?)
We still have guns for feral animals in national parks and farms. Those shotguns may hev been meant for skeet sport.
Bigger failures of infrastructre, all built in 1920s, which meant crowds crushed on narrow stairs. And that stupid concrete bridge the perps used which I've always hated - should be replaced with broad access ways, redesign the whole Beach area. Crap infrastructure mean hundreds of people milling around, no chance to evacuate properly or lock down. Chaos.
Just a terrible series of things which we have to learn from.
Even so our police took them down within minutes by engaging them from at least 2 sides, one parallel to the concret walls killed the old man quickly, another engaged the son from the front while the side cop hit him several times until he was down.
ReplyDeleteI doubt anyone outside Sydney can imagine the chaos of crowds on Bondi on an otherwise beautiful Sunday evening. No one knew what was going on, innocent people were targetted. And the killing was very selective while bystanders wandered by. Must have wondered if it was a movie or something, hence 'Why didn't X do something?' Well no one even knew for sure until after.
Migrants here tend to be more enthusiastic sport hunters than we locals and to own guns - like the post WW2 Italian migrants I grew up with all brought hunting culture from the old country. Migrants having hunting rifles is pretty common, and someone has to kill the wild pigs in the bush. Normally you would think they can't do much damage with them, until we get a 'perfect storm' like this.
Yes I reckon the old man was using a skeet-shooting weapon. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's an olympic sport right? Again, the son had a single-shot bolt-action hunting rifle without even a tele sight. The most basic and supposedly least harmful weapons.
ReplyDeleteG'day, Bruce! Where's Bruce?
DeleteGood to see you around Bruce, I thought you may have moved on to higher places, like Katoomba, haha.
DeleteI am following advice that my late Mum gave me quite often, which went, "MICHAEL!! if you can't say anything nice then keep your big trap shut". I have been too angry to write.
But I think young arsehole was using a 308 bolt action with open sites. I've seen what that round will do to 200 pound pigs and it is too horrible to think about, At 100 yards, he couldn't miss.
Old arsehole owned all of the weapons and he was using SG or double 00. At that distance the pellets were dispersed but you would not want to be in front of it and could still be fatal. That is why he ran down from the bridge and the bloke who looked like Tony Soprano tackled him. Bravest thing I have ever seen. I seems that Tony didn't know how to use the shotty but another fellow, he was the one who threw something at the culprit, well he picked it up and emptied the mag at bridge, he was killed by the way and nobody seems to be metioning him . The 2 muzzas didn't like this and ducked behind the barriers, this was when the cops were able to land a few shots on the pricks. The cops here have Glock 9mm and maybe some 40 cal Glocks are still around. There were only 3 police there initially, by the time they worked out it was not fireworks, most of the damage was already done. Another husband and wife couple tried to stop this when the pricks got out of their car with long guns. They wrestled with them but were both overcome and murdered They were in their sixties.
There are still good people in the world
I'm sorry, I just noticed the young arsehole had a small optical. And I called them palestanie arseholes.
DeleteObviously they are pakistani arseholes.
Good info, Mick. thanks.
DeleteBruce! I was wondering what had happened to you. I was even trying to see if I had an old email from you so I could write, but I couldn't find it. Next time, my dear fellow, file a flight plan. Good information, btw.
ReplyDeleteThanks for corrections Mick, very informative. New info coming out may correct my speculations. The old guy came from Hyderabad India - old Muslim kingdom (see Nizam of Hyderabad) in the 1990s and still used his Indian p'port. Here he married a woman named Grosso - Italian descent (she seems innocent of all this and may have tried to raise the kids Catholic, based on son's former workmate). So the kids are half-Italian, born here with Australian citizenship. It means the son is not the typical Musso fanatic with fanatical mother, so I can see why ASIO saw no threat. Even the Musso father seemed assimilated, and kept his hatreds mostly to himself. But the old man transferred all his property to his wife 2-3 years ago, and got gun license around same time, which means secret planning and scheming. Too bad police/intel did not pick up on his weirdness when giving him gun license.
ReplyDeleteIn India they keep very close watch on Musso radicals and I believe them when they say no evidence the old man got it from his H'bad family or that local community. These are more old British Empire type Mussos like the Aga Khan - more interested in horse racing and western women.
Mick when I saw the 'Tony Soprano' guy get the gun I thought 'military training'. Sure enough today his family says he was in Syrian army and police before migrating to Australia. (My first guess was IDF, which all Israelis go thru and we have some here).
Thanks Paco, very kind.
ReplyDeleteJust FYI, I'm kind of dealing with a type of Parkinsons, so that's my excuse. Some new meds helped me lately. I take things one day at a time, other folks I know have it worse than me.
ReplyDeleteEventually we may read that some of the helpers were shot by various attending police Mick. They won't say until totally sure. But no one knew how many baddies there were until the dust settled. For e.g. some dark bearded migrant guy ran up to grab the gun on the bridge and cops shot at him, but he says he was just trying to help. People do crazy things, did you see 'Tony Soprano's' wife (I guess) run up to him when he'd seized the gun? 'Lady just stand back for god's sake, you're not helping by running around in the danger zone!'
ReplyDeleteThat sucks Bruce. I hope your meds handle it.
ReplyDeleteMy friend has it, he still does QC in a machine shop, I don't know how he handles the precision necessary, but he does. He's one of the two best I've seen using hand measuring tools.
The cops shooting bystanders is messed up, if true.
They didn't do crap until citizens stepped in and then started shooting at folks not shooting.
Even if they only shot the perps, that holds. They did nothing until disarmed folks intervened. Sonsomabatches.
All as we've been hearing about CCW folks being a danger to bystanders.
I really despise our fine betters more and more.
The police have received a lot of criticism about inaction, but of the 3 officers on duty for the festival, 2 were critcally wounded. One young probationer shot in the face and lost an eye, the other only slightly older, shot by what I think was the rifle and was close to death until the next day. Back-up was 5 to 10 minutes away and they engaged the shooters with their pistols and a detective dropped the younger one with a 50 yard shot using a 9mm Glock. It must have seemed like hours for the people under fire.
DeleteYes Mick, I think the police did very well and only blame the impossible situation for any problems.
DeleteSorry to hear that Bruce, I hope the new stuff works out for you. Wishing you a great Christmas and New Year.
ReplyDeleteBruce, I'm sorry to hear about your illness, hope things get better for you. Post comments here when you can. Best wishes for a happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
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