Friday, April 16, 2021

Interesting take

 

8 comments:

bruce said...

John Birch redux, eh?

I think it's much more complex than that, beginning with the USA being such a big diverse country to govern as *individuals* - Chinese is bigger but with a collective culture for thousands of years. The British Empire worked because people were governed as groups, different laws for Hindus, Muslims etc. No one before the USA attempted to rule 100s of millions of people as *individuals*. Something like feudalism ruled every nation before recent centuries, people knew their place, not to get ideas above their allotted station in life. So the US is a big experiment, never tried before. Everything has its limits.

I just think the USA has reached some demographic limit, beyond which the system collapses. If different states formed smaller groupings it could still work, as we see with state governors.

They say the British Empire collapsed because it was overstretched, wouldn't that apply to the US as well?

Steve Skubinna said...

I'd say the current problem with the US is that we have significant segments of the population that no longer accept the shared values of America. The beauty of this nation was that anybody could come here and become an American simply by accepting the "American creed" (for want of a better short term). The US was not blood or soil or religion or tribe.

But in order to seize and cement their hold on power, progressives have been undermining the idea of "America" for several generations. They have been attempting to "govern by groups." Your rights and privileges do not accrue to you by citizenship, but to your skin color or gender or religion or ethnic background.

Remember that both the Habsburgs and the Ottomans tried to rule vast multiethnic empires by groups. As a result, when internal and external stresses became too great, there was no shared identity and their empires fragmented. Many areas once ruled by them are still hapless basket cases a century later.

RebeccaH said...

I don't have any answers or explanations. All I know is we are engaged in a race war fueled by Twitter and the legacy media, and the Democrat Party leadership are throwing gasoline on the fire every chance they get in hopes of consolidating power. Ordinary citizens are just trying to go about their business (and, thankfully, gradually rebelling against the COVID power grabs), so it's hard to see how it's all going to end. 2022 will be the bellwether, I think.

Veeshir said...

An interesting page for boycotting purposes
http://www.investingadvicewatchdog.com/Liberal-Companies-Boycott.html

They rely a little too much on Trump and also solely on giving money to various lefty orgs, but it's a good primer on who hates us.

Paco said...

Bruce: They might not all be Marxists in the purest sense of the word, but they are definitely totalitarians. But there is definitely something to the contention that increasingly large means increasingly ungovernable.

Steve: Exactly. I've been saying for years that the Democrats seem to want to turn America into something like the Austro-Hungarian empire. But at least that had some centrality (however weak) in the form of the emperor. I don't know what personification of their insane ideology the donks intend to hold up for veneration.

bruce said...

The morally self-righteous are the worst totalitarians indeed.

Today's BLM are in a direct line from abolitionists of 2 centuries ago, along with neocons who think US troops have to protect women in distant places like Afghanistan.

As for British abolitionists, until Charles Dickens and Elizabeth Gaskell started drawing attention to the plight of fellow countrymen, the high minded elites never noticed, maybe because suffering fellow Brits were 'reprobate' and damned anyway according to their beliefs. Deplorable - reprobate?

So I disagree with Davis - this race shaming, moral grandstanding thing goes back centuries and pops up every once in a while.

Veeshir said...

That's right bruce, vicious rulers always need an Other for their followers to hate and fear and need the ruler to protect them.
It can be based on ideology, race, religion and a favorite is poor against rich.
They've spent decades othering and dehumanizing me and now we're in the endgame.
I'm not looking forward to what comes next.
An asteroid woulda been less ugly.

Paco said...

Yes, but I can't shoot at an asteroid. Well, I mean, I can, but where's the sport in that?