Monday, June 23, 2025

Interesting distinction

"Hardboiled and Noir Are Not the Same".

I agree. The noir protagonist is always a tragic figure, doomed by, not just manifesting, one or more character flaws.


"Yep. Definitely doomed."

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  1. I always thought of his as mostly hard-boiled.
    His Kind of Woman has been on a bunch lately.
    I'd say Mitchum was hardboiled in that.
    Vincent Price was great in that as well.
    He was a sub-hero/comic relief.

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    1. Out of the Past was indisputably noir, but many of Mitchum's other movies were of the hardboiled variety. <>His Kind of Woman is a fun picture, precisely because of Vincent Price's screwball character, as you mention.

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  2. I am confused. I watched The Long Goodbye 1971 film with Elliott Gould. I couldn't work out which one it was so I looked it up and it was described as a "satirical neo-noir hardboiled" film. Nonethe wiser.

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  3. The article mentions Carroll John Daly. I looked further - okay, just Wikipedia - and Daly is recognised as one of the very early hard boiled writers. He created the theme and its essential elements.
    Given that, and the fact that he was a fairly prolific writer, I was surprised that I'd never come across any of his work. The Wiki article includes a lot of links to a site where his stories can be read.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_John_Daly

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    1. Thanks for that info, Gregory. I'll have to check that guy out.

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